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JosephHawk has joined the chat. 4:02 JosephHawk hello Spongebob456 has joined the chat. 4:03 AMK152 we will wait a little bit 4:10 7 min 4:03 JosephHawk sure Tominator777 has joined the chat. 4:06 Tominator777 i'm here 4:06 JosephHawk hello! 4:07 Tominator777 hi Joseph 4:07 AMK152 hello Spike the Dragon has joined the chat. 4:07 AMK152 3 min 4:07 Tominator777 hi Andrew 4:07 Spike the Dragon hi 4:07 Tominator777 hi Spike 4:11 Spike the Dragon test 4:11 Tominator777 here 4:13 AMK152 ok I guess we can start 4:13 Tominator777 ok 4:13 AMK152 I will send a message first at ESB chat ok Dinosaur250 has joined the chat. 4:14 AMK152 1. 120d situation (block, 3RR, etc.) 4:14 Tominator777 hi Road 4:15 AMK152 I will be clear here to say that he did not violate the 3 revert rule (he almost did)... the page should have been protected as soon as the edit war occurred also, several people need to stop ganging up on 120d and backing him into a corner otherwise, it adds fuel to the fire 4:15 Tominator777 yeah 4:15 AMK152 and that's what I have to say about that anyone else? 4:16 Tominator777 yeah 4:16 Spongebob456 In all honesty, I agree with you on not ganging up on him, but I do feel we're just ignoring the disruption he has caused. We're treating him differently to how we would other users. How can we allow him to just intimidate users? 4:17 AMK152 the intimidation happened after the block 4:17 Spongebob456 To me, his attitude on the wiki counteracts his contributions. He's always intimidated users I'm afraid. 4:18 AMK152 yes, but I am talking about since his block ended on Oct. 22nd 4:18 Tominator777 i agree with 456 4:18 Spongebob456 I'm not saying block him now, I am saying that we shouldn't treat him any differently to other users. 4:18 Spike the Dragon Yeah, like for example if they make a edit mistake, he'd probably send them a message going through details to make the edit right. 4:18 AMK152 right 4:18 Spongebob456 To me, if someone else had done what he had done they would be blocked now. 4:18 AMK152 the thing is, 120d changing his behavior is a two-way street - 1) 120d changes and 2) the community is accepting of any change #2 should not be an issue, although it is 4:19 JosephHawk I doubt he's going to change his behavior 4:19 Spongebob456 I'm happy to let it go for now, as long as we react appropriately next time. If it means blocking him for 3 months or whatever then so be it. 4:19 Tominator777 yeah, i agree with Joseph 4:19 AMK152 he did admit to his mistakes from the spring, and stopped complaining about certain things 4:20 Spongebob456 I don't buy that unfortunately. 4:20 JosephHawk I feel he's going to "play nice" to receive adminship back... 4:20 Spongebob456 ^ 4:20 AMK152 Thread:135676 4:20 Dinosaur250 ??? 4:20 AMK152 http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:135676 4:21 Spongebob456 It is that which makes me wonder why he was unblocked. 4:21 AMK152 "Do not ever ever ever use ampersands in articles." - 120d "Ok, I promise not to use ampersands." - STHerbs "Thank you. Also, do not change the format of "Debut", "Cameo", or the subtitles." - 120d "120d, you gotta stop backseat driving all the time..." - Dinosaur the last comment is what I am talking about he told STHerbs about proper use of amps, then thanked him. we tell 120d to warn people and not block them for little mistakes so 120d goes around and tells people how to do things, and suddenly that is bad this has happened numerous times 4:23 Spike the Dragon I think he's acknowledged that he blocking people all the time is not needed by now. 4:23 Spongebob456 I'm sorry, I might just be seeing it differently, but nowhere in there do I see a peaceful response. It still seems very blunt and intimidating. 4:23 JosephHawk ^ Lumoshi has joined the chat. 4:23 Spongebob456 o/ 4:23 Lumoshi yo estoy presente 4:24 Tominator777 hi Lumoshi 4:24 JosephHawk Yes, he isn't yelling at the guy, but he isn't being too nice either 4:24 AMK152 he should have said please, but still, it seems that everyone is looking for something 120d is doing wrong 4:24 Tominator777 what is an amersand? 4:24 Spike the Dragon & 4:24 Lumoshi & 4:24 AMK152 http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:135721 4:24 Tominator777 ok 4:25 AMK152 Tan called someone a jerk, and 120d pointed it out and no one jumped on Tan for doing so but if 120d calls someone a jerk, that is bad double standard 4:25 Tominator777 wow 120d is right 4:26 Spongebob456 I don't know. All I know is, since he's returned, we have argumentative threads with him still intimidating users. 4:26 Spike the Dragon It's because it would be more noticable when 120d starts something with all those past-blocks. 4:26 AMK152 it's not entirely 120d, that is my point. Other people are adding fuel to the fire. 120d is being treated far more harsh than any other user 4:27 Spongebob456 Okay, my proposal: * leave him be for now * warn as normal * block as normal 4:27 Tominator777 yeah 4:27 Spongebob456 Is he though? Would another user have been blocked by now? 4:28 AMK152 "Would another user have been blocked by now?" - another user would not have been cornered 4:28 Tominator777 even Hardink is starting to feel sympathy for 120d 4:28 AMK152 the attitude toward 120d effected 120d's behavior 4:28 Spongebob456 Hmm, I don't know. I'll leave it be for now. 4:29 AMK152 if you were walking down a hallway, and a group of people were cornering one person, telling them how wrong they were, and the person being cornered was shouting, who would you blame? 4:30 Tominator777 the bullies 4:30 AMK152 exactly the cornered person would not be shouting if he was left alone and if everyone talked to him fairly 4:30 Spongebob456 I don't know. Looking forward, let's just leave it. However, he should be treated like any other user. 4:30 AMK152 that is exactly what is happening right now 4:30 Spongebob456 In terms of warning or blocking. (y) Agreed. 4:30 AMK152 exactly, he must be treated fairly, and not just in punishment he must be treated fairly and equally as an editor 4:31 Spongebob456 Yes. 4:31 AMK152 the second part is the problem, because it isn't happening and that is what must change ok then 4:31 Spongebob456 next? 4:32 AMK152 anyone who sees anything, act civil, don't argue at all 2. SpongeBob Infinity 2a. Logo contest 2b. Status (Phase III) 2c. Calendar 2d. Newsletter 2e. Octerror Fest the SBC people are not here... so I don't know what is going on with SBI Dinosaur250 has left the chat. 4:32 AMK152 3. Fanonia SpongeBobia 3a. Judges/Contests http://spongebobfanon.wikia.com/wiki/FSB:Contests http://spongebobfanon.wikia.com/wiki/FSB:Judges just thought I would put that out there in case anyone is interested 4. SpongeTokens 4a. Completing tasks immediately after creating them. 4:33 Spongebob456 I don't really do FSB, so not sure. |: 4:33 AMK152 ok Joseph, this is yours... 4:33 Spongebob456 Yes, apparently Nicko has been doing that. 4:34 AMK152 I stopped the credit tables by creating one large task http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Tasks/Convert_crew_members'_credits_lists_to_tables 4:34 JosephHawk sorry, what? 4:34 AMK152 talking about Nicko creating tasks then completing them minutes later 4:34 Spongebob456 Task completion. 4:35 JosephHawk ah yes I feel it's wrong for a user to post a task, and then complete it immediately 4:35 AMK152 there are numerous tasks (converting to tables, galleries, transcripts, etc.) that should be created but havn't yet 4:35 JosephHawk I propose that a user must wait a week, and if no one does the task, then you can complete it 4:36 AMK152 the tasks that Nicko completed should already be up on the tasks board, but no one has found them time to add them all yet like, if someone completes a transcript and doesn't get points because it wasn't a task so I am going to create mass tasks, like the cleaning up of small subpages what about 3 days between posting a task and completing it? 4:37 JosephHawk 1 week 4:37 Spongebob456 ^ 4:37 AMK152 say it's 1 week 4:37 Spongebob456 Plenty of time for it to be complete. completed* 4:37 AMK152 and they start working on it after 3 days, then finish it after 10 days... does it count? 4:37 JosephHawk Yes, it gives every user a fair chance No, the posting user cannot do any of the task until after a week 4:38 AMK152 say a new episode aired, they post a transcript, start it 3 days later, and complete it after 10 days... doesn it count? they cannot edit the page at all? 4:38 JosephHawk nope, they need to know that before they make the task 4:39 AMK152 how about this: 1. Any user who posts a task cannot edit the associated article or articles until after seven (7) days have passed, otherwise they will not be awarded teh designated amount of SpongeTokens. 4:39 Spike the Dragon *the 4:39 AMK152 yes 4:40 Spongebob456 Well, they could edit the article if they were reverting vandalism for example, but I get what you mean. 4:40 AMK152 1. Any user who posts a task cannot edit the associated article or articles for the purpose of completing the task until after seven (7) days have passed, otherwise they will not be awarded teh designated amount of SpongeTokens. 1. Any user who posts a task cannot edit the associated article or articles for the purpose of completing the task until after seven (7) days have passed, otherwise they will not be awarded the designated amount of SpongeTokens. sounds good? JosephHawk has left the chat. 4:40 Spike the Dragon you said "teh" instead of the 4:40 Tominator777 yeah 4:40 AMK152 I fixed it 4:40 Spike the Dragon oh 4:41 AMK152 another thing I wanted to mention http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/David_Fain see that small table? Nicko completed it for 100 ST mean while, there are larger http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Alan Smart tables, still an award of 100 ST Instead of an award of 100 ST per table, it should be changed to 2 ST per line. For example, small tables (such as the David Fain) and large tables (such as Alan Smart) should not get the same award. It should be based on how large the table is. This would go for all tasks that require converting something into a table. so David Fain table would be 8 ST Fuzzy Slippers has joined the chat. 4:42 AMK152 hello Fuzzy 4:42 Fuzzy Slippers hi I'm new 4:42 Tominator777 hi Fuzzy 4:43 AMK152 Welcome to ESB! 4:43 Fuzzy Slippers thanks 4:43 AMK152 we are having a meeting, you can join us 4:43 Fuzzy Slippers so, what's the topic 4:43 AMK152 SpongeTokens 4:43 Fuzzy Slippers ok 4:43 Tominator777 SpongeTokens oh, lags Lumoshi has left the chat. 4:43 AMK152 it's our points system: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:SpongeTokens 4:44 Fuzzy Slippers oh 4:44 AMK152 anyone have any other ideas for SpongeTokens? 4:44 Tominator777 for completeing tasks oh 4:44 AMK152 also, I removed the other leaderboard... we only need 1 4:44 Tominator777 yeah, i got some ideas 4:44 AMK152 go on Tom? send me your ideas in a PM 5. Other titled roles (not B'crat, admin, rollback, or chat mod) 4:45 Tominator777 ok 4:45 AMK152 any thoughs on these? I was thinking about having teams for certain things for example, Gallery builders JosephHawk has joined the chat. 4:46 AMK152 and there will be one team "captain" to direct the team in helping complete the tasks 4:47 JosephHawk sorry, what did I miss? My internet crashed >.< 4:47 AMK152 Everything, Joseph. You missed everything. 4:47 JosephHawk awwww 4:47 AMK152 say hello to Fuzzy, a new member at ESB and we were talking about 5. Other titled roles (not B'crat, admin, rollback, or chat mod) AMK152 any thoughs on these? I was thinking about having teams for certain things for example, Gallery builders AMK152 and there will be one team "captain" to direct the team in helping complete the tasks 4:48 Tominator777 good idea Andrew 4:48 JosephHawk I oppose 4:48 AMK152 why? it's like a taskforce, like they have on Wikipedia 4:48 JosephHawk Let's be real, our editors are dwindling. We can't sustain a task force like this 4:48 AMK152 and if someone wants to help, they know the right people to contact for help gallery builders 4:49 Tominator777 maybe have a captain team work in a way similar to the admin system on here with similar rules, and how it's enforced on the team 4:50 AMK152 it's basically so they know who wants to collaborate on certain tasks we can also have a technical team 4:50 Tominator777 yeah 4:50 AMK152 those who work on templates, coding, etc. Spike the Dragon has left the chat. 4:51 AMK152 users can apply for a "captain" position, and they can be voted on (so the most qualified candidate can lead) 4:51 JosephHawk As stated before, we can't sustain such task forces. 4:51 AMK152 which will probably end up being an admin 4:52 Tominator777 yeah 4:52 AMK152 well, we need to start somewhere 4:52 Fuzzy Slippers Wow, I feel like such a noob :P 4:52 Tominator777 it's ok Fuzzy 4:52 JosephHawk haha, true me, we were all noobs at one point trust* 4:52 Tominator777 yeah 4:52 AMK152 yeah 4:53 Fuzzy Slippers so true 4:53 JosephHawk AMK, when we have a bunch of users completing the current tasks, then we can form Task Forces 4:54 AMK152 having task forces now can help new users learn how to help by being part of a task force it's at least worth a discussion 4:54 JosephHawk hmmmm... 4:54 AMK152 anyway... 6. Ended discussions 6a. Remove administrator requirements - passed 6b. Tasks (revision 3) - passed so, even though there were concerns about removing admin requirements, it has been extremely successful 4:55 JosephHawk 1 new admin ;) 4:55 Tominator777 i agree with Andrew 4:55 AMK152 *2 4:55 Spongebob456 Sorry, was away. 4:55 AMK152 http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Requests_for_adminship/DJSponge <-- looks like this one won't succeed I hope he applies again 4:56 JosephHawk Jensonk met the requirements 4:56 Spongebob456 It's his inactivity which has held him back a little. 4:56 Tominator777 Joseph PM 4:56 JosephHawk sure 4:56 AMK152 I will close that after the meeting 4:56 JosephHawk if he edits s'more, he'll be fine 4:56 AMK152 7. Categories 4:57 Spongebob456 I know I may be being a little hypocritical due to my semi-active period, but still. 4:57 AMK152 I was thinking DJ might suddenly be very active if he were an admin anyway, 7. Categories now, this is about 120d adding categories for Wives, Husbands, Brothers, Daughters, Sons, Fathers, etc. then there is the whole "Male" and "Female" categories thoughts? 4:58 Spongebob456 I'm not sure what to think with those. 4:58 AMK152 I honestly do not see a reason to keep them they have no benefits at all 4:58 JosephHawk remove them 4:58 Spongebob456 We did frown upon them a while back. Yeah, remove 'em. 4:58 AMK152 and people add them because they can make new badge categories I have removed them several times, they keep getting added back so I guess look out for anyone adding useless categories and tell them not to add them 4:59 Spongebob456 (y) 4:59 Tominator777 i even had to clean a whole bunch of pages from one bad category 4:59 Spongebob456 Brb 4:59 AMK152 I saw that Tom 5:00 Spongebob456 (if I'm not back by the end of the meeting, I'll catch up later) 5:00 JosephHawk good work with that Tom 5:00 AMK152 8. Project Cleanup: Characters 8a. Character infobox/show-hide (Option A) I don't even... I don't know... 9. Episode ratings system Nicko has been doing some testing with this I wish he were here to discuss, but we are making progress 10. From the Suggestions List #105. PageRenameAuto-Update thoughts on adding this? 5:01 JosephHawk Sure, why not? 5:01 Tominator777 doesn't sound good Andrew 5:01 AMK152 http://dev.wikia.com/wiki/PageRenameAuto-update Spongebob456 has left the chat. 5:02 Tominator777 it'll lag user's internet 5:02 AMK152 it will? 5:02 Tominator777 let me look at it 1st 5:02 AMK152 actually, I see what you mean especially if the link is on many pages TrevorOntario719 has joined the chat. 5:03 TrevorOntario719 yo so what happened 5:04 Tominator777 like the pages of the main charaters 5:04 TrevorOntario719 (hi) 5:04 JosephHawk Hi Trevor 5:04 Fuzzy Slippers hi 5:04 Tominator777 hi Trevor 5:05 AMK152 I will test it 5:06 Fuzzy Slippers I think I'm gonna' go, bye 5:07 AMK152 it's not working for me I am going to put that on hold #108. Quote of the day on the home page I'd say better use is when we we start doing quote contests to decide which quotes 5:09 TrevorOntario719 yay 5:09 AMK152 111. 4 separate SpongeTokens Leaderboards absolutely not 5:09 JosephHawk nooooo 5:09 AMK152 too confusing, and just too much 5:09 TrevorOntario719 why not Fuzzy Slippers has left the chat. 5:09 JosephHawk per AMK 5:09 TrevorOntario719 i like the idea 5:09 AMK152 it discourages people from working harder to advance on the main leaderboard if we make 4 leaderboards, we might as well start handing out SpongeTokens for free 5:10 JosephHawk ha, very true 5:10 AMK152 I am going to dismiss that suggestion we can bring it to discussion if people have any issues about it, but I don't think that will happen we only have one badges leaderboard after all #112. Locations guideline page I like this idea, but we need to come up with guidelines I can start drafting one 5:12 JosephHawk um, what's that about? 5:12 AMK152 http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Episode_articles - guidelines for episodes http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Locations - guideline for locations (currently does not exist) to show people how location articles are formatted any ideas for formatting? it's pretty simple 5:13 JosephHawk hmmm 5:14 AMK152 send me any ideas you have when they come to you #113. "I think that, unless it is super serious, there should be a period of time, before a user can get blocked after being blocked one or more times." 120d's suggestion I would like to dismiss that second the motion? 5:15 Tominator777 i agree Andrew, dissmiss 5:15 AMK152 Any opposed? 5:15 TrevorOntario719 120d said that because hes banned sore kid 5:15 AMK152 DISMISSED any other ideas or things to discuss before I summerize? ok then 5:16 Tominator777 yeah 5:17 AMK152 1. 120d did not violate 3RR; admins are recommended to protect pages to prevent edit wars; everyone is recommended to stop backing 120d into a corner, as such attitude toward him is not productive for anyone. The past must be let go and we must move on, and take care of any situation equally and fairly. 2. Tasks (revision 4) proposal to be created 3. Task forces discussion 4. Remove all useless categories 5. #105. PageRenameAuto-Update - hold off 6. #108. Quote of the day on the home page - hold off 7. #111. 4 separate SpongeTokens Leaderboards - DISMISSED 8. #112. Locations guideline page - to be drafted 9. #113. "I think that, unless it is super serious, there should be a period of time, before a user can get blocked after being blocked one or more times." - DISMISSED ZeoSpark has joined the chat. JosephHawk has left the chat. 5:19 AMK152 --end meeting-- 5:19 Tominator777 hi Zeo
